Is this Russian girl scamming me? How to recognize scammers
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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.
Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:
If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:
the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.
Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!
ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.
BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.
AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.
*** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.
The six easy steps that you have provided above seems like an easy way to get married,i have the perfect woman,she is 52 years old,no family,never asks for money,i am supposed to visit her in May.She said she wants me to stay at her house instead of a hotel,she calls me and texts me on her cell phone,she has sent me her address for me to send my proof of divorce [paoers.I think it is pretty safe,do you??
2012-03-10, 19:27:40 anonymous from United States ... Try this !
Potential Russian brides may be real, but finding a sexy babe thousands of miles away on the internet is risky ! Unfortunately, there are always scammers ready to empty your pockets if you appear overly eager for romantic adventures. Check out the girl’s beautiful appearance, the photo may be false. Ask her for more photos that are not made in a studio. Ask for the girl’s personal information (postal address, telephone, etc.) and see her reaction. Does she ask for gifts? Find an agency that delivers flowers and gifts with 'photo confirmation'. Scammers hate this, they love anonymity. This will provide verification not only for her appearance but also her postal address and telephone number.
with these girls 99% are scammers real women
i paased 2 years in a situation even the truth didnt help to finish with her crimes
...i wish you goodluck....
just see if you dont have some monkeys waiting for you...in russia
i tryed everything in my case maybe you have better luck with that scammer
@anonymous from usa
The hard facts are as thus... it is almost impossible these days to know for sure if your bride has good intentions for your relationship or not...? even if she checks out to be real their are still those who only desire citizenship in another prosperous land other than their own...
The above advice from the others on this sight needs to be taken into account by you in this situation.
Always seek reference and trust those early suspicions.
For a long lasting relationship?I would state also needs a long inquisition... I am of the opinion that if she is totally real then providing you with endless information should not be a problem if it is true love she is seeking?
Remember! Their are people out their who have given alot more than just simple documents of information for love.... including their life...
I would say nothing is certain but if you are going to see her in person that has to be a step in the right direction...
All the best from everyone and please keep us informed!
~i dont know who is this anonymouse from usa
but i think it was another one decived by this scammer lol
or her it self
anonymous from United States
'add me to the list I was tricked by this scam by a girl called Elena Lanina and her so called cousin Maria Kornilova I fear the worst because I fell for Her hook line and sinker I sent $300.00 for visa but became suspicious when it came time for her to come she could not provide any documents to prove her visa or passport then she asked for $900.00 for flight but because she has no I.D right now I was to send money to MARIA WHO WOULD BE SO KIND AS TO PICK UP MONEY FOR HER please advise how I can protect myself in the future' The easiest way to protect yourself is to remember Never,never ever send money to someone you have never met face to face! Not brain surgery!
Was contacted by scammer using new name today pictures to follow.
firstname.lastname@example.org from United States
anonymous from United States,
Could you post the name of the lady to whom you sent the money, and the full name for her friend Mariya? Also, a couple of more pictures of this gal, and maybe a letter or two where she asks for money would also be helpful.
As far as protecting yourself in the future, next time you are corresponding with a pretty girl from another country, and she suddenly falls in love with you and wants to visit, make sure to do some research before sending a single dollar. At the very least check her identity and make sure her letters and pictures have not been sent to 100 other guys...
np DOC she will regreat everything she did last 2 years and more..
is smart but its Slava who I want to put in jail ... Ekaterina is the link to catch this group
in this picture is Lyudmila another scammer tryed to decive me in december ,she introduced her self
Ekaterina Kim but her friends call her Mila...so it Ekaterina Guryanova girlrfriend Ludmila
in same picture seated in the back drinking there she is
so we have one more scammer here :)
i told her to mila what Ekaterina was doing in that picture she said shedont knew her ,but the table where she is seat is Mila handbag next to Ekaterina...i can prove by another picture in same place Mila with bag in her shoulder...and come on
i am no fool i know Ekaterina like my hands almost...