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The following text was submitted by Eddie from Sweden and the links at the bottom come from OJAS in the USA.
Welcome to any newcomers who find this thread, for Christ's sake.. READ THIS!
...and save yourself a lot of homework and/or grief
SOME GENERAL INFO ABOUT RUSSIAN GIRLS, AND HOW TO SPOT RUSSIAN DATING SCAMMERS:
The vast majority of Russian dating scammers are not women at all, but actually men, mostly working in small gangs in or around Yoshkar Ola, in Mari El republic, sometimes in Chuvashia. It's virtually guaranteed that the girls in these scam pics aren't involved because the scammers steal their pics from the internet or pay unsuspecting friends for them, or buy and exchange them on scammer websites. (Once a scammer even admitted to me that he stole all his pics from army-of-brides.com and mamba.ru ).
Most scammers are VERY lazy and looking for quick cash. They use email extractor programs to get your mail addresses (if you don't have a profile on a dating site, that is)...
http://www.webextractor.com/ and copied form mails and spam programs on automatic reply, very often the BAT!, which can personalize small parts of each letter.
They mostly won't read your letters until after the money letter because they don't have time, ie because they're scamming, or trying to scam, as many guys as they can (economies of scale).....and also because they're semi-literate losers who can't speak much English anyway. IN OTHER WORDS, you can write any crap in your replies and they won't react, they're only interested when they're curious to know if you've taken the bait after the money letter. A girl is only involved either occasionally to phone a guy up, especially if he's suspicious, or to pick up the loot at Western Union, with a false ID of course!
More recently, the majority of Russian scammers have started using proxy servers or forged IPs to hide their locations so ALL YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IS TRACE THEIR IP ADDRESS!
So....if several or more of the following scam signs apply to your Boris (the beautiful Russian 'girl' that is supposedly writing to you), resist the temptation to help 'the poor girl' by sending her money. You're really writing to a sleazy Russian guy sitting in a smoky room in Yoshkar Ola, with a bunch of other sleazy guys spamming indiscriminately on laptops .
'girl' writes to you first on a dating site...especially a free one (or an email appears out of nowhere in your mailbox). Real Russian girls are rarely so bold as to write to you first. (unless you're obviously very attractive or rich :))) They will often reply to your mails, but rarely take the initiative. It's the man who does the chasing in Russia. Plus, if they're looking for a partner, they generally prefer him to be Russian speaking and live in Russia. Much more convenient!
doesn't answer direct questions (sometimes factual mistakes in the letter). Her replies should be exactly that...replies...however short they are.
girl's much too young for you (or too good to be true/looks like a model/porno star)....although I have noticed a recent tendency for some scammers to use photos of slightly 'less attractive' girls as well.
girl has some far-fetched excuses for you not visiting her in Russia (criminal city, not the Russian custom, terrorism, it's her dream to come to your country, etc). ALL BULLSHIT!! Actually, the normal way to meet a Russian girl is to visit her in her city first. Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc. They should usually want to meet you first before they gallivant off to your country.
scammers rarely have children, but most of the real Russian women I've ever met on the internet did (except for Moscow career girls). It's often the reason that they're looking for a partner.
photos are too revealing (can't be a respectable girl). Respectability is very important to most Russian women (especially Moscow career girls). They're hardly likely to send a half-naked photo to a virtual stranger on the internet. Think about it!
most of the pics are old and a little bit faded with a curiously grainy quality that soon becomes quite easy to recognise (overuse?). Again a scammer admitted to me that low-quality photos are a key factor in his scamming. I found this curious because a serious Russian girl who's looking for a partner very often saves up and goes to a professional to have a studio set done (often corny ones posing with a chair etc), and/or borrows a digicam at least (dates should also be on the photos you receive). My fiancée did it. Russian girls aren't all that poor anymore, and if they seriously want to leave Russia, they know that posting cheap pics will only attract cheap guys.
GIRL CLAIMS NOT TO HAVE A MOBILE PHONE. Very unlikely!!! fer f***'s sake.....do you know a single girl without a mobile phone? Even poor Russian girls can't do without one, they're much cheaper than in Europe and a Megafon telephone card doesn't cost that much either. You should be able to call her whenever you want. On the other hand, not having a landline or a desktop/laptop is very common.
very long rambling/ecstatic form letters with a strange format, punctation and layout written in scamlish. (world's worst Babelfish translation)
writes long letters everyday in English. How does she have time to write those long letters if she's working? And if she doesn't have a job, how can she afford a computer + internet connection? Even Internet cafés are relatively expensive in Russia. Anyway, most Russians outside Moscow can hardly speak a word of English. (What's the point of finding a girl you can't communicate with, at least on a basic level?) PLUS.. if she can't speak English, why does she have a non-cyrillic email account like gmail or yahoo? Most real Russians use mail.ru, yandex.ru or inbox.ru....though hotmail and yahoo are acceptable if she'll chat with you on messenger (preferably with a webcam).
falls in 'love' very quickly. Don't let your ego, kind heart, loneliness or lust pull the wool over your eyes. She doesn't really know you. You could be an axe murderer for all she knows. As I mentioned, Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc.
uses a proxy server to hide his/her location, ie a SOCKS server / GPRS Internet. if you can't trace 'her' IP, it's 100% scam.
THE FIRST THING YOU SHOULD DO IS TRACE HER IP ADDRESS. In fact, it's the only thing you need to do really.
MOST IMPORTANT...if you get this far:
she asks for money for a tourist 'visa' and/or maybe tickets, ignoring the fact that IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SINGLE, POOR RUSSIAN GIRL TO GET A TOURIST VISA TO A WESTERN COUNTRY!
Most Russian girls outside Moscow and St Petersburg are quite poor, and immigration control would consider them an overstay risk. They would never let be let into your country without a healthy bank account.
She can get a SPONSORED visa with your help, but then she needs a personal letter of invitation from you, a copy of your passport, a proof of your residence in your home country, a completed sponsor's application form (also from you)....not including the documents that she has to fill in herself. She also needs a job in Russia, a letter from her employer and insurance. All of these documents she has to drop off at your national embassy in Moscow WITH PREPAID TICKETS and wait about 10 working days. These are the rules for the Schengen countries anyway...the USA and Canada are almost as, if not more, complicated. Anyway, a normal TOURIST visa + travel costs + hotel rooms would set her back 2000+ US dollars for a trip to the US. She should be asking you for a lot of money! Why should it be so easy for a gorgeous sexy Russian girl just to jump on a plane and fall into bed with you? Anyway, no respectable Russian girl would ask directly for money, but might accept some if you insisted.
There are many variations on the scams, some quite slight. Some scammers claim to have a visa already and need money for tickets, a last-minute medical examination, etcetc. Some claim that their mother needs an operation, etcetc. A few more patient and professional scammers will take months before they hit you with the money letter (though if you follow my tips, you should be able to spot the scammers before then). There are even a few real girls scamming, and professional gold-diggers (mostly in the Ukraine). One or two of them are very bold, and not even afraid to use their true identities. These scammers are harder to spot, and there is no easy way to identify them, all you can do is use your instincts and common sense, and DO YOUR HOMEWORK!
and, of course, a golden rule: DON'T SEND MONEY...unless you're 100% sure she's real.
Another ground rule: if you are looking for a Russian wife/partner, you must be prepared to travel to Russia to meet her. You also need to behave generously towards her; after all, you need to prove that you can support here (and her kids) if she migrates to your country. But if she turns out to be a professional gold-digger, which has never happened to me personally or anyone I know (but I know it does happen), you should try to be philosophical and treat it as an exotic trip to a foreign country, have fun anyway, and try not to waste too much money on her.
There are actually hundreds of perfectly nice Russian girls in Russia but you have to be prepared to go and get them. Chercher la femme. It certainly worked for me.
Ekaterina Sexteleva(meteleva) http://www.rbrides....esult.php Guys take care meteleva just want tourism and money by sex.
She was with me just for this.
Thanks for this site advised me about meteleva katy
she is very inteligent scammer.
When a girl expresses love for you, ask her to logon to her mail by clicking on her domain for the next mail. A real girl has nothing to fear. Mails sent directly from the web will show the X-Mailer, Return-Path in the headers http://video.yahoo.../13633861
This test will show whether she loves you, or The Bat!
PS. Next stage of the reaserach on the above (second block of the) list is for a future article.
Thank you for your informations on Katy.
She is a GOLD DIGGER rather than a scammer.
But her behavior is too bad .
We want her infos much more.
Like our DOC says,please post full infos on her.
Do you have her asking for money letters ?
If so ,please post those stuff on Delphi.
2) give me your alias.
We can recognize you from many '' anon ''
I have 1 alias like '' Ekaterina MONEY-televa ''
thank you !
See soon !
SCAMS NAME= SUMAILA YUSIF
PHONE NUMBER 44 762619790
hello babe,am at germany airport now.our flight is suppose to leave in a few time,but there is problem,the germany migration says the travellers cheques am having is not valid.i dont know what they mean,i feel bad with that,i dont know what to do now.they said i will be seized for illegal act of holding an invalid travellers cheque,i toldl them i bought it at the arlanda and its genuine.i dont know what else to do .am even looking for a calling centre so i can call u .they have given me a home arrest,i just dont wants to miss the flight to san fransisco.please send me an email as soon as possible,or go online to look for the airport phone number of germany and call them and talk weith the migration officer concerning my case so that i will be release please babe... am really woried.. please do something my husband..
u know since the first time we talk on the phone, when u ask for money i knew u were a kind of girl that just want to take advantage and at the last minute u ask me for more money, a dont care, money is not everything,case the money u took from me is nothing compare with i could give u if u were real.if u think u did good , i feel sorry for u, case God exist and he will protect me against people like u.
also u made not to believe on u girls at the internet. about u ,i dont care because i knew that u will do it what u did no matter what
i have no more words to say, ohhhhhhhhhhhh actually God WILL GIVE IN DOUBLE WHAT U TOOK FROM ME.
I hope all is well with you,i still havent heard from u and i dont know why u dont seem to care about my situation,it hurt.right now am in the security and its so miserable with me,they said i will be deported back to sweden tomorrow.and they only need your call so that u confirm to them as i am coming to u and also the travellers cheques will be cashed with u ,and i told u to contact the german migration office and they said they havent had any mail or call from u .babe act quick please so that if possible i can be fixed the next availble flight to ...............tommorrow.please my love am waiting to hear from u ,larrson emailed me and said he couldnt get to u on phone nbecause he is at work and need to email u so i should give him your email address.i hope all is understood.please my love help me out of this situation,am inoccent.i love u .
babe why are u writing to me all that thrash,whats wrong with u ,why u said all those to me,why. did u know how bad i feel with that? what u think of me,u think am just because of your money? u dont even care what am going through,and God will judge u for making go through all this ,and making me feel like this,u have taken advantage of me,,by making me love u and abbondening me in difficulties,and i know God will surely let u pay for it.it hurt me so bad,u seem to be ungratefull and u dont even care whats happening to me,all what u care is money mone money.i am sick and tired of it,i have remain in securty custody for a day now and they said i will deported back to sweden because they didnt receiv any call from you.i am so hurt andn thank u so much for taken advantage of me,my God will answer my prayers as he knows how honest and truthfull i am with you.. and i will call u when i get back home,and i am so dissapointed and shamefull before my families and friends.look at what u have putting me into,u disgrace me,why did u say u love me when u dont love me,when u cant cry for me,when u can abbondon me when i needed u most.is thisi the way u will treat me if i am to get there? do u really care? it hurt me claudio,but God will surely make u payy for hurting me. thank you.
tHE GIRL'S NAME= SUMAILA YUSIF
SHE IS FROM = SWEDEN (STOCKHOLM)
6:45 AM r u coming for sure babe?????????????????????????????????
i see on tv ,The Hills.
oh babe,why u asking this. yes ofcourse I am
6:46 AM me: i dnt know am afraid
sumail: babe afraid of what.
need not to be
6:47 AM me: i will trust u this time
6:48 AM sumail: babe please do .
sumail: i love u. i really do . down in my heart i feel u so much close.
6:49 AM me: u know how mach i love u too
6:50 AM sumail: i know u do . and thats what makes me love u more.
i cant wait to,orrow
sumail: i cant wait for tommorrow too dear
6:51 AM me: i will be confortable after i hear from u at germany
6:52 AM sumail: babe be comfortable even now,because noting is going to stop me from coming to you. i need u in my life,and i cant be myself without being with you.
me: is that true
6:53 AM sumail: ofcourse its sweetheart.. believe in your heart,i feel same as u do .
6:54 AM me: did u see the pic ofthe ticket i sent u yesterday
6:55 AM sumail: yes i did
me: so i was telling u the thuth
6:56 AM sumail: yes u were and am sorry for the dissapointment,its not gonna happen again
me: i believe u this time babe
sumail: ok my love
6:57 AM me: dnt dissapoint me please
sumail: babe please stop talking about it.. its not gonna happen .
6:58 AM so u r about to leave right
sumail: yes dear I am .
hold on someone at my door.
me: ok hae a nice trip sweetie
6:59 AM i love i cant wait to see u at the airport
7:00 AM sumail: Oh my God.
babe something is happening.
7:01 AM me: what
sumail: the Rent control officers.
they just came in.
concerning my home bills for the end month.
7:02 AM babe call me so u can talk with them on the phone.
i feel bad now
7:13 AM sumail: babe i am still talkin with them.
i told them my cousin will pay for that,i have given them his address and complimentary card
but they are still not agreeing with me.
7:14 AM me: call the police
they canthold yr passport
this against the law
sumail: babe am getting it back just give me some few minutes
7:15 AM me: call the police now
me: cause u no saying that u not going to pay them
call de police now
7:16 AM sumail: hold on amgoing to do that.
me: for only 3 fucking days
what the fucking country is that
7:18 AM sumail: babe i have called the police
they are talking with the rent control officers,i explained to them.
7:19 AM me: by the way u told me that some offices will pay for yr rent this month
7:20 AM sumail: yes i even told them that
the police is handling them.
7:21 AM me: 9:09 AM social insurance says they will pay for my rent,they sent me a post to notify me,so am happy
this is what u told me
7:22 AM sumail: yes babe
me: show the paper to them
sumail: thats what happened.i have even given them the post which i received. these are rent control not social insurance
i have given them everything just hold on it will be solved
7:23 AM me: interisting
sumail: i told u that this country is like this,u dont believe me.
me: u had 2 months in december 08 andjanuary 09 late
7:24 AM they never came to charge u
why for 3 days they come now
7:25 AM sumail: i dont know,thiscountry is really complicated
me: u are too
7:26 AM so am leaving to shower and go o work
7:27 AM sumail: hold on they will be leaving,they have agreed now as i showed them the mail from the social insurance
am glad that this has ended
and there is no any problem now
7:28 AM talk to me
'they are leaving
i have to leave now dear to the airport.
7:31 AM babe talk to me
9:09 PM sumail: hello
9:10 PM me: so it is 5-10am i called you 2 times
sorry to wake u up
sumail: am so sleepy
me: but it is mre than 5 am there right
sumail: can i sleep for 1hour more please?
9:11 PM me: hold on
sumail: its now05.10
me: et give u the number
9:12 PM 8319221264
sumail: OK,how about u wait when am up.
me: go back to sleep
is calling me to play pool
9:13 PM i gonna send u the number by emailanyways ok
sumail: ok,well but i hope u are going to be home in about 3hours? so we can talk when i am awake before leaving to town
but how much money did u send,
me: yes i ill
9:14 PM how much
this is the last time for sure
sumail: Â¨well,yes so that i will know incase am been asked
watch out there is nother woman her name is tiffnay wallace.her email is firstname.lastname@example.org watch out.she chat and send your emails and stops chating and emails and tells you off on messager.so i had to email this post men good and bad.